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looserfairy - December 17, 2006 02:59 PM (GMT)
http://www.darsequran.com/raiwand/raiwand.php



raiwind main jin ulama k bayanaat hue yeh sab yahan mojoood hain

haji abdul wahab sahab
molana asad kandhelvi
aor duaa bhi ...




Preacher - December 17, 2006 04:26 PM (GMT)
Asslam-0-alikum

mein personally khud bhi gaya tha is dafa RAIWUND or bohat accha xperience raha ALhamdulillah ,,

specially Maulana Asad ka bayan is worth listining ,,, bohat he piyare or dheemey andaz mein bohat gehri baatien batai hein unhon ne,,
unhon ne ek baat ye bhi kahi thi k hamien IBADAT KO AADAT nahi bana na chaheye balke uski asal rooh k mutabiq usse ada kerna chaheye,,


kisi ko agar tmam dars ki recordings chaheye hon to i can also provide them as i have lot other dars jo aapus mein muqarrareen ne deye toliyan bana ker ,,,

ab mein thori c baat karna chahonga apna point of view share kerna chahonga ,,or isse zaror ikhtilaf ho sakta he kisi ko bhi as its my personal opinion,,,

3 days i hv been there lekin kisi bhi 1 din mujahedeen islam ,,mazloom musalmanon bhale wo duniya k kisi bhi area mein zulm ka shikar ho rahe hon zalim hukmaran k khilaaf KOI DUWA NAHI HWI !!!!!!!!
Afsos ki sab se bari baat ye he k Aakhri bayan jo MAulana Abdulwahab k bayan se pehle 2nd last day before ISHA howa usmien MAulana Sahab ne JAHADI TANZeemon ka mazaq uraate hwe kaha k ye sb GHALAT RAASTE PER HIEN ISI LEYE INHIEN ALLAH KI MADUD HASIL NAHI HO RAHI OR YE PIT PIT KER AAJATE HIEN ,,,,,,,,

kiya hamien essa kehna chaheye ???aap log kiya kehte hien k MAULANA SAHAB KI BAAT SHAI HE ????
KAMYABI OR NAKAMI KA DAROMADAR SHIKAST OR JEET PER HOTA HE ?????
essi baat thi to UHAD MEIN KIYA HOWA THA ?NAzobillah NAKAMI ?
HAzrat IMAM HUSAAIN ko unki family ko unke lashkar ko DUNIYA KI sb se bari NAKAMI HWI (NAZOBILLAH)

nahi kamyabi or nakami ka asal fesla to ALlah tallah k pas hota he bazahir shikast ya jeet koi hesiyat nahi rakhti
hesiyat he to aap k jazbe or emaan ki taqat ki ,,,

jo ab hum mein itni margai he khatam hogai hek hum apne musalman bhaiyon k leye DUWA BHI NAHI KARSAKTE

liberal - December 17, 2006 05:41 PM (GMT)
it can load or open at ma media

looserfairy - December 18, 2006 12:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Preacher @ Dec 17 2006, 09:26 PM)
Asslam-0-alikum

mein personally khud bhi gaya tha is dafa RAIWUND or bohat accha xperience raha ALhamdulillah ,,

specially Maulana Asad ka bayan is worth listining ,,, bohat he piyare or dheemey andaz mein bohat gehri baatien batai hein unhon ne,,
unhon ne ek baat ye bhi kahi thi k hamien IBADAT KO AADAT nahi bana na chaheye balke uski asal rooh k mutabiq usse ada kerna chaheye,,


kisi ko agar tmam dars ki recordings chaheye hon to i can also provide them as i have lot other dars jo aapus mein muqarrareen ne deye toliyan bana ker ,,,

ab mein thori c baat karna chahonga apna point of view share kerna chahonga ,,or isse zaror ikhtilaf ho sakta he kisi ko bhi as its my personal opinion,,,

3 days i hv been there lekin kisi bhi 1 din mujahedeen islam ,,mazloom musalmanon bhale wo duniya k kisi bhi area mein zulm ka shikar ho rahe hon zalim hukmaran k khilaaf KOI DUWA NAHI HWI !!!!!!!!
Afsos ki sab se bari baat ye he k Aakhri bayan jo MAulana Abdulwahab k bayan se pehle 2nd last day before ISHA howa usmien MAulana Sahab ne JAHADI TANZeemon ka mazaq uraate hwe kaha k ye sb GHALAT RAASTE PER HIEN ISI LEYE INHIEN ALLAH KI MADUD HASIL NAHI HO RAHI OR YE PIT PIT KER AAJATE HIEN ,,,,,,,,

kiya hamien essa kehna chaheye ???aap log kiya kehte hien k MAULANA SAHAB KI BAAT SHAI HE ????
KAMYABI OR NAKAMI KA DAROMADAR SHIKAST OR JEET PER HOTA HE ?????
essi baat thi to UHAD MEIN KIYA HOWA THA ?NAzobillah NAKAMI ?
HAzrat IMAM HUSAAIN ko unki family ko unke lashkar ko DUNIYA KI sb se bari NAKAMI HWI (NAZOBILLAH)

nahi kamyabi or nakami ka asal fesla to ALlah tallah k pas hota he bazahir shikast ya jeet koi hesiyat nahi rakhti
hesiyat he to aap k jazbe or emaan ki taqat ki ,,,

jo ab hum mein itni margai he khatam hogai hek hum apne musalman bhaiyon k leye DUWA BHI NAHI KARSAKTE

@liberel yeh real player pr run hotay hain...


@wwd
is baat ko ager hum ek week baad discuss kerain tuo???
i guess aap key points k jawab mil jaaeyn gey????


Preacher - December 18, 2006 01:21 PM (GMT)
aap jb bhi discuss kerna chahhien i have no issue ,,

mein to bazaate khud tamam bayan Alhamdulillah khud sun ker aaya hon or record bhi keye ,,,

or han un Maulana sahab ka nam MAulana RAza he jinhon ne Mujahedeen k baare mein kah atha ,,,,


liberal - December 18, 2006 08:50 PM (GMT)
well share ur experiance wid us but short trem post karna cos heavy post mein interest come hoota hay Members ko....

Hina_ji - December 19, 2006 02:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Preacher @ Dec 17 2006, 09:26 PM)



Afsos ki sab se bari baat ye he k Aakhri bayan jo MAulana Abdulwahab k bayan se pehle 2nd last day before ISHA howa usmien MAulana Sahab ne JAHADI TANZeemon ka mazaq uraate hwe kaha k ye sb GHALAT RAASTE PER HIEN ISI LEYE INHIEN ALLAH KI MADUD HASIL NAHI HO RAHI OR YE PIT PIT KER AAJATE HIEN ,,,,,,,,


jihaadi tanzeemein kon kon si hain?aur woh kiss sey jihad karrahi hain?
Jihaad ka tareeqa kya hona chahiye?...

Preacher - December 19, 2006 07:53 AM (GMT)
Asslam-0-alikum

jee sis hina ,,,
bohat se tanzeemein hein jo beshumar jaghon per jahad mein masroof hien ,,,

jis point per hum baad mein pohnchienge mein aap ko pehle he bata deta hon k JAHAd hukmaran ki ijazat se kiya jata he (wese to islami mumlikat ) ka hukmaran hona chaheye bahar hal ,,,yehan aksar log ye kehte hien k idher koi ijazat nahi li jati ,,,

pr afsos itni c bat samajh nahi aati k without PAK ARMies permission nobody is able to cross border and with ammunition,,,or agar essa he to wht is army doing at borders????

so ye baat to wazeh he k jo bhi kuch hota he sb ki razamandi se hota he ,,,

Jb mazloom Musalman aap ko madud k leye pukare to musalman per lazim he k wo apne musalman behen bhai ki madud ko pohnchey ,,jis bh darje mein madud kersakta ho kare ,,,

quran ki aayat he uska mafhoom he ,,,

"ey Musalmanon jb koi musalman tumhien madud k leye pukarta he to tum kiyon uski madud k leye nahi jatey ? kiya Zameen ne tumhare PAon pakar leye hien ???""

jb koi kisi musalman ko marraha ho to uswqt hamare leye namaz se ziyada zarori us musalman ki madud kern ahota he apni ibadaat mein mashghool rehn anahi ,,,


liberal - December 19, 2006 02:43 PM (GMT)
Hummm ; yee baat tu manni pardey gi k ajj kaal according 2 islam nothing v have found round us... bus loog tu islam ko personal reason k liyein use kar tey hein...



Hina_ji - December 21, 2006 01:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hina_ji @ Dec 19 2006, 07:32 AM)
QUOTE (Preacher @ Dec 17 2006, 09:26 PM)



Afsos ki sab se bari baat ye he k Aakhri bayan jo MAulana Abdulwahab k bayan se pehle 2nd last day before ISHA howa usmien MAulana Sahab ne JAHADI TANZeemon ka mazaq uraate hwe kaha k ye sb GHALAT RAASTE PER HIEN ISI LEYE INHIEN ALLAH KI MADUD HASIL NAHI HO RAHI  OR YE PIT PIT KER AAJATE HIEN ,,,,,,,,


jihaadi tanzeemein kon kon si hain?aur woh kiss sey jihad karrahi hain?
Jihaad ka tareeqa kya hona chahiye?...

walaikum asssalam,

preacher bhai,

shayad iss reply mein aap ney jihaad kay baarey mein bataney ki koshish ki hai...
magar aapko jisss baat per afsooos hoaa kissi XYZ maulana kay bayaan per tou
kay unhoo ney jihaadi tanzeemoooN ka mazaaq uraya tou mera simple sa question ye hai kay konsi hain jihaadi tanzeemein aur wo kiss say jihaad karrahi hain? jin kay baarey mein sun kar aapko bura laga

Preacher - December 21, 2006 08:13 AM (GMT)
Walikum Asslam

Sisi HIna unhon ne sb ko kaha who ever is indulge in JIHAD these days ,,,,

agar aap ko meri baat per yaqeen nahi to aap khud ja ker bayan sun sakti hein ,,,agar nahi mile to i will give u recording ,,,

Jahad KAfir o rmushrik k khilaaf ho raha he or bohat jaghon per ho raha he or bohat se log karrahe hien i think u r aware of it ,,,arent u ??

liberal - December 21, 2006 06:48 PM (GMT)
:salam::


:agree: dats y i said k name mein Mulana laga leyney say har koi har cheez ki importance ko nahi feel karta ... dats y i said k ajj kaal sub ISlam ko use kartey hein.....


app follow karein ya nahi bus 2nd person ko force karein gey ... beleive me i never try 2 ask such thing 2 other ppl which can i cant done....



looserfairy - December 23, 2006 11:54 AM (GMT)
i dont understand liberel
wot u mean to say by this??

w-a-n-t-e-d- - December 24, 2006 10:40 AM (GMT)
wsalam

Preacher bhai tumko yeh ikhtilafi baat forum pay nahi karna chaeyh thi .. essay jo young tabqa dawat-o-tableegh k leyh apnay apko taeyar karaha hoga wo pareshan hojayga k kaun sahi kaun ghalt or nekalnay say reh bhi sakta hai .. ajj kal Junaid jamshed ,ata-ulla-khan-essa-khilwi.abid but or puri cricket team speacialy mohammad yousf ko deakhtay hoay bohat log dawat-illalah k leyh nekal rahay hain .

es dafa raeewand main main public ka samander deakh k he pata nahi kitnay logoon nay hidayat pakri hai Al-hamdulilah .

mulna ka yeh beyaan jo apnay bataya mainay nahi sunna na eska tazkara abhi tak kise say sunna : ( kis din or kis waqat unnho nay aysi baat ki or inka pura naam kia hai kahaan say taluq hai inka ? inki yeh baat sunna chahonga mujhay koe link waghera bata do bhai..

aysay kuch saal pehlay bhi hoa tha kise maulana nay ese type ki koe baat kardi thi ..

in ikhtilafat ko app ulema hazrat pay he choorh do jazakallah amm public k ess behas main parhnay say fitna banaygi ..

alimoon ka apes ka ikhtilaf ummat k leyh khir ka baes hota hai .

pehlay bohat say ulema siray say he tableegh k khilaf thay or kuch abb bhi hain wo bhi apni jaga sahi hain or tableeghi bhi .

mager abb tarteeb kuch aysi banni hai Al-hamdulilah k serf raeewand k he nahi bal k puray pak k madaris say koe new talbay ilm fareegh hota hai tu wo 1yr k leyh tableegh pay nekalta hai . jab k amm admi 40 days 4month ya out of country 7month k leyh ..

ek tu ulema banta he inasan 9 years main then 2 yr or parh k mufti phir mazeed 1 saal k leyh tableegh pay nekal raha hai kitni bari qurbani hai yeh .

her alim apnay kam main bharpoor masroof hai koe bhi apnay kam say ghafil nahi na khankahi ulema na tableeghi hazrat na madaris k ulema
etc her koe apnay kam main achee tarha say masroof hai.

or etna masroof hai k kuch ulema jessa k apnay raza sahab ka naam leya kise dosray depart pay tanqeed kar daytay hain becoz amm admi un say ultay sedhay sawal karta hai k hazrat falaan alim jihad k baray main aysay bolta hai falaan alim tableegh ko aysa bolta hai falaan masjid ka alim yeh bolta hai falaan ka wo xyz tu kuch becharay chirh k dosray k kaam ko tanqeed ka nishana bhi bana daytay hain Allah pak maaf farmay unko or huq sach ki baat he maun say nekal way ameen..

es saal bohat ulema 1year k leyh jamatoon main chal rahay hain kabhi kabhi raeewand main bethay bethay he woo tableeghiuon pay tanqeed bhi kardaytay hain .. in batoon ko choroo yaar es behas say amm admi serf preshan ho k duno ki nafi kar k apnay apko halakat main daal sakta hai ..

ALLAH SABKO UQ SACH KEHNAY SUNNAY OR OS PAY AMAL KI TAUFEEQ ATA FARMAY AMEEN.

liberal - December 24, 2006 11:00 AM (GMT)
Ameen :insha:: :pray:

looserfairy - December 24, 2006 12:08 PM (GMT)
so preacher i do agreee cent percent with wanted
nd thanks yasir for ur very kind nd detailed reply

i know that i cant describe these things as u (Y) (yy)

Preacher - December 24, 2006 12:23 PM (GMT)
Asslam-0-alikum

JAzakALlah brother wanted for ur concern atleast some one senior showed intrest in my posts ,,,,

yaar unka nam MAULANA RAZA KHAN hey or wo shayed bahawalpoor se talluq rakhte hien or ek baar nahi aksar wo apne dars mein yehi baatien repeat kerte hien ,,,

unka dars last day jis din duwa hwi he usse ek din pehle isha k waqt huwa tha ,, aap k pass recording available na ho to i can provide u mere pass mobile mein bhi save he or usb mein bhi,,

Ab rahi baat tanqeed kerne ki to yaar meri kiya auqat k mein kisi AALIm per koi baat kahon ,,mene sirf question kiya tha k kya essa kehna shai he ??jiska jawab aap ne bhi inayat kerdya ,,JAzakALLah

TAbleegh bhi ISlam ka hissa he JIHAD bhi ,,isnt it ? na hamien tableegh chorni he na jihad , na sirf jihad mein lagna he tableegh chorker na tableegh mein lagna he jahad chor ker ,,, m i ryt ?

lekin jis waqt jis cheez ki zarorat ziyada ho us waqt us cheez ko apnaya jae ye Tamam ulmae kiram kehte hien ,, k agar jihad ka waqt aagaya he to us waqt tableegh ko rok dya jaega or jahad mein shamil howa jaega ,,,

lekin afsos sirf is baat pr howa k hum itne bhi mazboot nahi k apne jahad kerne wale mujahedeen k leye duwa bhi kersakein ???

suppose aap NAamz k leye ghar se nikle 5 min reh gae hien raaste mein koi kaafir aapk musalman bhai ko marraha he ,,aap k pass itni taqat he k aap usse akele nimat sakte hein or bacha sakte hien musalman bhai ko ,,to uswaqt aap k leye NAMAZ ZARORI HOGI YA US BHAI ko bachana ??
aap ko usse bachana zarori hoga ,,, mana k aap k pass itni taqat nahi k aap usko akele bacha sakein aap k paas itni salahiyat he k aap shor macha sakien dosron ko bula sakien k aao isse bachao ,,uswaqt bhi namaz se ziyada zarori aap ka us bhai ki madud k leye shor machana zarori hoga ???m i ryt ??

maan liya k aap shor bhi nahi macha saktey ,,theek namaz k leye jaeyey parheye namaz ,,KIYA HAMARA EMAAN ITNA BHI NAHI K HUM NAMAZ PARH KER YE DUWA KERLIEN K EY ALLAH US MUSALMAN BHAI KO KAAFIR SE BACHA LEJEYE ?????

aap batao mujhe DUWA HWI WAHAN RAWIUND MEIN ??FALASTEEN ?LABNAN ?IRAQ ?AFGHANISTAN ? KASHMIR ?? BOSNIYA CHECHINYA ??? NAHI hwi ,,

kiya hum itne darpook hogae k DUWA kerne se bhi darte hien ????

w-a-n-t-e-d- - December 24, 2006 05:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Preacher @ Dec 24 2006, 05:23 PM)
Asslam-0-alikum

JAzakALlah brother wanted for ur concern atleast some one senior showed intrest in my posts ,,,,

yaar unka nam MAULANA RAZA KHAN hey or wo shayed bahawalpoor se talluq rakhte hien or ek baar nahi aksar wo apne dars mein yehi baatien repeat kerte hien ,,,

unka dars last day jis din duwa hwi he usse ek din pehle isha k waqt huwa tha ,, aap k pass recording available na ho to i can provide u mere pass mobile mein bhi save he or usb mein bhi,,

Ab rahi baat tanqeed kerne ki to yaar meri kiya auqat k mein kisi AALIm per koi baat kahon ,,mene sirf question kiya tha k kya essa kehna shai he ??jiska jawab aap ne bhi inayat kerdya ,,JAzakALLah

TAbleegh bhi ISlam ka hissa he JIHAD bhi ,,isnt it ? na hamien tableegh chorni he na jihad , na sirf jihad mein lagna he tableegh chorker na tableegh mein lagna he jahad chor ker ,,, m i ryt ?

lekin jis waqt jis cheez ki zarorat ziyada ho us waqt us cheez ko apnaya jae ye Tamam ulmae kiram kehte hien ,, k agar jihad ka waqt aagaya he to us waqt tableegh ko rok dya jaega or jahad mein shamil howa jaega ,,,

lekin afsos sirf is baat pr howa k hum itne bhi mazboot nahi k apne jahad kerne wale mujahedeen k leye duwa bhi kersakein ???

suppose aap NAamz k leye ghar se nikle 5 min reh gae hien raaste mein koi kaafir aapk musalman bhai ko marraha he ,,aap k pass itni taqat he k aap usse akele nimat sakte hein or bacha sakte hien musalman bhai ko ,,to uswaqt aap k leye NAMAZ ZARORI HOGI YA US BHAI ko bachana ??
aap ko usse bachana zarori hoga ,,, mana k aap k pass itni taqat nahi k aap usko akele bacha sakein aap k paas itni salahiyat he k aap shor macha sakien dosron ko bula sakien k aao isse bachao ,,uswaqt bhi namaz se ziyada zarori aap ka us bhai ki madud k leye shor machana zarori hoga ???m i ryt ??

maan liya k aap shor bhi nahi macha saktey ,,theek namaz k leye jaeyey parheye namaz ,,KIYA HAMARA EMAAN ITNA BHI NAHI K HUM NAMAZ PARH KER YE DUWA KERLIEN K EY ALLAH US MUSALMAN BHAI KO KAAFIR SE BACHA LEJEYE ?????

aap batao mujhe DUWA HWI WAHAN RAWIUND MEIN ??FALASTEEN ?LABNAN ?IRAQ ?AFGHANISTAN ? KASHMIR ?? BOSNIYA CHECHINYA ??? NAHI hwi ,,

kiya hum itne darpook hogae k DUWA kerne se bhi darte hien ????

wallikumas salam !

QUOTE
unka dars last day jis din duwa hwi he usse ek din pehle isha k waqt  huwa tha ,, aap k pass recording available na ho to i can provide u mere pass mobile mein bhi save he or usb mein bhi,,


G mujhay koe link waghera bata do app ta k hum bhi sun sakayin .

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TAbleegh bhi ISlam ka hissa he JIHAD bhi ,,isnt it ? na hamien tableegh chorni he na jihad , na sirf jihad mein lagna he tableegh chorker na tableegh mein lagna he jahad chor ker ,,, m i ryt ?


G dunno he islam k hissay hain or doray-hazir main dunno he kamoon ki shadeed zarorat hai .

Or dunno k ulema he apnay kam baray ehsan tareeqay say anjaam day rahay hain Al-hamdulilah Raewand k hazrat say apnay yeh baat sunni hogi k dawat ki baat humsay seekhoo or baqi sharaee ehkam-o-masail ulema kiraam say .

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lekin jis waqt jis cheez ki zarorat ziyada ho us waqt us cheez ko apnaya jae ye Tamam ulmae kiram kehte hien ,, k agar jihad ka waqt aagaya he to us waqt tableegh ko rok dya jaega or jahad mein shamil howa jaega ,,,


es waqat tu dunno he kamoon ki shadeed zarorat hai no doubt dawat-o-tableegh ki barkat say nonmuslim tayzee say islam qubool karay hain or Jihad say wo kuffaar jo musalmanoo k mulk jan maal pay kabzay karahay hain ya qatl-e-amm karahay hain wo her jaga paspaee ka shikar hain .unhay abhi tak apnay kise bhi maqsad main kamyabi nahi hoee Al-hamdulilah .

baqi dawat k kam ko rook dea jayy or sab jihad main sab lag jayin tu aysa bhi abhi mumkin nahi kiuon k app k he islami mulk main lakhoon log aysay hain jinko na kalima sahi say ata hai na ghosul karna na namaz parhna tu kise ko dua-e-qunoot nahi atti sab dawat-o-tableegh say he hidayat k rastay pay atay hain . jab talban nay shareyat nafiz ki thi tu unko yehe mushkil paesh aee k apnay he log islam bhola beathay hain .phir Bhai abdul wahab sahab ko mulla omer nay letter bhej k darkhowasat ki thi app zada say zada jamatein afghanistan bhejin ..

kami beshi Allah pak maaf farmayin .

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maan liya k aap shor bhi nahi macha saktey ,,theek namaz k leye jaeyey parheye namaz ,,KIYA HAMARA EMAAN ITNA BHI NAHI K HUM NAMAZ PARH KER YE DUWA KERLIEN K EY ALLAH US MUSALMAN BHAI KO KAAFIR SE BACHA LEJEYE ?????


koe koe hazrat duaa bhi karwa daytay hain koe koe nahi bhi karwata .jab say musharaf aya hai ishtima main out of country k logoon k visa k leyh baray maslay hogay hain es saal arab countrys k logoon ko sab say kam visa milay mager dosri countrys europ africa waghera k bohat log ayy Al-hamdulilah jab iraq pay attack hoa tu army nay raewand ishtima rokwanay ki bharpoor koshesh ki thi musharaf k kehnay pay k mulk k halaat sahi nahi es dafa ishtima cencil kia jay.. mager bhai wahaab sahab nahi manay phir jo major dhamki daynay aya k hum honay nahi dayngay osko abdul wahab sahab nay kaha tha k meray samnay say outh k chalay jaoo warna main apnay hath outha longa duaa k leyh es baat ka aysa aser hoa k phir army ka koe nahi aya .

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aap batao mujhe DUWA HWI WAHAN RAWIUND MEIN ??FALASTEEN ?LABNAN ?IRAQ ?AFGHANISTAN ? KASHMIR ?? BOSNIYA CHECHINYA ???  NAHI hwi ,,


nahi hoee mager eska yeh matlab nahi k wo dartay hain ya jihad k khilaf hain .aysi tanqedin ayy din hoti rehti hain . well bajoorh madersay pay jo attack hoa os k leyh tu duaa hoee thi Markaz main.

Maulana masod-ur-rehman usmani ka naam tu sunna hoga apnay ? sipa-e-sahaba say taluq hai unka unho nay 12th rabiul-awal ko karachi main kaha tha k tableghiuon ko tableegh qabool naam nehaad mazhabi tanzemoon ko siyasat qabool madaris k ulema ko un k madaris qabool tu phir humko ezat-e-namose-e-risalat or namose-e-sahaba qabool hum tu sahaba-e-kiram(rz) or umhatul momeneen ki ezat k leyh apni jannay daytay rahayngay ..

meray bhai abhi sab mukhtalif shoboon(department) main taqseem hoay way hain
or sipa ka moakkaf kitna sakhat hai her amm o khas admi janta hai or osko apni tanqeed ka nishahna bana k rakhta hai . mager mulana azam tariq sahab ki shadat pay bhai Abdul-wahab sahab nay duaa karwaee thii or wo raewand bhi atay rehtay thay ulema say milnay jab k tanqeed ka nishana bhi hain ..

tableegh k kam say bhi Allah(swt) apko kamyabi day rahay hain or jihad say bhi app baroon k maslay main nahi parhoo InshahAllah sab ek din 1 he platfarm pay apko milayngay .

achay ki umeed rakhoo InshahAllah sab acha hojayga .







Preacher - December 24, 2006 06:16 PM (GMT)
Asslam-0-alikum

Sb se pehli baat to ye brother wanted k mein TBLEEGHI JAMAT ko bura nahi keh raha mein ye keh raha hon k dosron ko bhi ghalat nahi kehna chaheye

aap ne mujhe to keh dya k forum per ye baat nahi karni chaheye thi lekin 18 lakh logon k samne koi is tarha mazaq urae us per aap kuch nahi keh rahe ??

brother wanted bajae iske ke randomly hum disscusion ko continue rakkhien
better we summarize it in questions ,,one by one aap mujhe mere sawalon ka jwaba dedien ,,

ismein koi larai jhagrey wali baat nahi sirf analysis ki baat he ,,mere sawalon ya meri is discussion ka maqsad tableeghi jamat ko bura kehna ya ghalat kehna nahi i respect them and appriciate their work also
or khud bhi gaya lekin jo baatien dikhien unhien pochna chahta hon ,,,

1. ye sawal to mein aap se kr he chuka k Musalman ko bachana zarori he ya Apna emaan ka level barhana?

2. Yahoodi ,,Mushrik ,,(Americans,, Euorpians etc...) pori dunya mein musalmanon k leye museebat bane hwe hein
Iraq ,Afghanistan ,falasteen, ab iran bhi ,,zulm ki intiha kari hwi he ,,lekin dosri traf itne mehrban k boriyan bhar ker visas de rahe hien tableegh per jane waloon ko ???
Alhamdulillah meri bhi beared (DAREEH) he mein visa lene chala jaon to dekhien kese pahar totte hien mujh per ,,
aaj kal koi bhi chala jae visa ki kitni dushwariyan he her koi waqif he ,,lekin same huliya sb kuch wesa he or visaz mein itni asaniyan k joq dr joq log ja rahe hein ,,

JANTEY BOJHTEY k ye log islam phelane aarahe hein hamare mulk mein or wo inhien visas de rahe hien ?? wht is the reason ??kiya USA UK waley apne mulk mein islam phelwana chahte hein apne logon ko muslims mein convrt kerwana chahte hien ??


Filhal in 2 questions per aap apni opinion dien inshahAllah discussion ko phir aagey le ker chalienge


waiting for ut kind reply

WWD Faisal

w-a-n-t-e-d- - December 24, 2006 08:40 PM (GMT)
wallaikumas salam !

bhai mujay pata hai k app jamat ko bura nahi keh rahay .

or raza sahab nay jo 18lakh k samnay kaha mainay unki baat ki taeed tu kahin nahi ki ?

apki es discussion ka maqsad bhi pata hai bhai mainay kab kaha k app larh rahay ho mainay bhi apko kuch aysa nahi kaha jis say app yeh sumhaj rahay ho k shayad main app say sakhti say baat karaha hoon ..

1ans) jab musalman ka level he nahi hoga tu wo kise ko kia bachayga bhai ??apnay apko bhi nahi bacha sakta .

2ans) bhai serf islamic countrys k immigration laws main kise or mazhab ki missonry chalana mana hai jab k non muslim countrys main nahi hai .phir bhi jamatoon k leyh kafi maslay kartay hain mager Allah ki madad jab sath ho tu kaun rook sakta hai .

app Tableegh main waqat lagaoo kawaeef puray karoo apnay or out off country k leyh khodh nekal k deakho k kessay milta hai visa waghera .

jo sawal app k @ jihad nd tableegh or maulna raza ya koe bhi es tarha ki baat karnay walay yehe akser meray bhi hotay hain thora bohat hum khiyal hoon apka .

app koe link waghera do pm main @ raza sahab

JazakAllah.

Preacher - December 24, 2006 08:52 PM (GMT)
Asslam-0-alikum

last mein jo baat aap ne kehdi uske baad mazeed sawalaat ki gunjaish he baaqi nahi rehti :)

jesa k aap ne khud keh dya k aap mere ham khayal ho to mein isse or clear kerdon k waqai mein aap ka hum khayal hon k hamien sb ne mil ker koshish kerni he ek dosrey ko ghalat or neecha dikhane ka waqt nahi ab muttahid hona parega ,,

ek baat ka jawab bahar hal phir bhi aap se chahonga aap ne kaha


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1ans) jab musalman ka level he nahi hoga tu wo kise ko kia bachayga bhai ??apnay apko bhi nahi bacha sakta .


Ghazi ILM deen Shaheed ka nam suna hoga yaqeenun aap ne ,,kiya aap kuch jantey ho unke baare mein k kitne muttaqi 5 waqt k namazi or sharah k paband the ???

link kal inshahAllah aap ko meri website k download section mein mil jaega kal wese to off he per office ja ker inshahAllah upload kerdonga

http://www.warwdevil.com

dekheyega zaror website or ye bhi dekheye ga k abhi tk whan sirf MAulana Tariq jameel k he audios mene upload keye hein or best links mein sb se pehla link konsi siteka he ,,,

jazakALlah bil kher

wwd FAisal

w-a-n-t-e-d- - December 24, 2006 09:21 PM (GMT)
Ghazi elam deen shaeed ko tu janta hoon jinho nay gustakh-e-rusool ko qatal kia tha ?

ghazi huq nawaz ko bhi janta hoon jisnay irani embassy k ehalkar maray thay karachi main (Y)

or amir cheema shaeed ko bhi mager in k past ko nahi janta .

in sab ko salam .



Preacher - December 25, 2006 07:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (w-a-n-t-e-d- @ Dec 25 2006, 02:21 AM)
Ghazi elam deen shaeed ko tu janta hoon jinho nay gustakh-e-rusool ko qatal kia tha ?

ghazi huq nawaz ko bhi janta hoon jisnay irani embassy k ehalkar maray thay karachi main (Y)

or amir cheema shaeed ko bhi mager in k past ko nahi janta .

in sab ko salam .

han mere wanted brother yehi baat mein bhi keh raha hon

Ghazi ilm deen Shaheed bhi ek dehaati an parh islam ki koi khas knowledge bhi nahi thi lekin jazbae emaani dekho k aaj unhien duniya shaheed k nam se janti he ,,

gustaakhe rasool ko marrna zarori ho gaya tha to us waqt namaz se ziyada afzal kam wohi kiya unhon ne....

hamien mukammal musalman banna hey deen phelana bhi hey or deen k leye janien bhi larani hein jesa k aap ne apni post mein likkkha he ,,,

hisson or tukroon mein nahi batna ,,,ek dosrey ko ghalat kehne se maqasid haasil nahi hongey ,,lekin apni khaamiyon or ghaltiyon ko door bhi kerna he ,,k hum ye samjhane lagien k hum farishtey or baqi sab gunehgar hien or ghalat raastey per hien ,,

JazakALLAh

looserfairy - December 25, 2006 11:05 AM (GMT)
very nice discussion wesei main ne kabhi kisi ko ek dooosray ki buraai kertay nahi suna... shayad
isi waja se hr kaam baree tarteeeb k saath ho raha hai...
na hi tabhleeeghi kamoun main kami aarahi hai balkay roz ba roz mujhko
personally loug ziada se ziada barhtay nazer aarahay hain wohin..
jihaad main bhi talaba dilchaspi rakhtay hain....
balkay is baaray main molana tariq jamil ney ek bayan main baray wazeh
alfaaaz main un talaba ko bata rahay thea jinko aagay dawat
k kaam main lagna tha k yeh tabhleeeg o dawat ka kaaaam boht hi afzal hai
aap saw ne wazeh alfaz main farmaya hai k "yeh mera raasta hai"
aor raasta kia hai logo ko Allah ki taraf bulaaana
tou yeh aaapka kaaam hai mager iskay saaath
baree request ki thi k kabhi is kaaam ko kertay kertay
khud ko doosroun se behter na samajhna aor iska muqaabla kisi
se naa kerna k yeh ziada afzal hai ya doosray.... rastay
kaha k boht raastay hain in main se hr koi chuna hua hota hai kis ne kia kaam kerna hai
tou kabhi bhi khud ko dooosroun se afzal mat samajhna is kaam ki waja se mager iskay saaath saaath zruri hai k \
dawat o tabhleeegh ki ahmiat bhi dil main itni ho itna ahtraam ho
aor is amal ko bhi zara bhi haqeer nahi jaaannna.....


liberal - December 26, 2006 10:20 AM (GMT)
i know Amier Chema personally he was a student @ german collage.... but he marked his self as Golden coin... Subhanallah

may allah bless his soul n give Peace too...


nice discussion (Y)




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